He's so competitive, he's so tough, and he's so smart. Once he got a chance to play, he performed well, and he had a great career. I don't like the word 'overachiever.' I called him that once, and he said, 'What do you mean by that?' I said, 'What I mean is, I can't give a guy a higher compliment.' Sometimes when you get called that, it's like you don't have any ability, you just play hard. He had ability.